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Episode 28 – Healthcare, Negtive Emotions, Coping strategies
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Rob
Hello and welcome to another edition of the Mental Wealth Podcast. Am Rob and here with me is Mukund. You doing buddy?
Mukund
Hi. How are you? Doing well.
Rob
Excellent man. Excellent. It’s 2025. How did that happen?
Mukund
Happy New Year to you.
Rob
It is. So great to. Be speaking with you. I’m excited for the year ahead for pedal my way and for the Mental wealth podcast. I think we’ve got a lot of good guests coming up, but today it’s going to be you and me. Were just actually having a good discussion about the the health care systems in. You had a few questions for me about Canada and I had several questions mostly about logic and common sense to you about. Healthcare system. And so I thought I’d kick off today by sort of talking about that a little. I know it’s been on in the news with the the killing of Brian Thompson, the Healthcare CEO from United Healthcare. What do you think is the major difference that you’re seeing right now in your healthcare? But that you wouldn’t necessarily see in the states that I would see in Canada. Do. Think the major differences from an American? Because I know you had some like confusion about how it works in Canada. Do I get paid? How? How do doctors get paid? Is. What is the major confusion that people from the states have about the Canadian system? How it works?
Mukund
My insurance is tied through my work. For most of the folks it is tied to your work. It was a policy implemented in the 60s, seventies. I think in Canada it was not. You have a National Health system and I believe you mentioned you have a health card that is. From province to province, but overall the plan is almost the same throughout. So here if something goes wrong for example I go to the doctor, I have what is called as a copay. Pay the 10-15 dollars $20.00 for that consultation. The doctor gives me whatever. Prescription for antibiotics or something? And then? The doctor has a rate agreed with the insurance company on how much the doctor gets paid for that. Consolidation, for example, I do not have insurance. If I payout of pocket my consultation for. Further antibiotics it might cost $200 out of. I have to pay the doctor but to get that lower rate I pay a monthly premium to the health insurance company through my work, a younger individual else is much healthier than older individuals. So. The insurance company makes money from the young people to pay the old. Right. The older you are, the more prone you are to get fall sick. Serious health issues. So the insurance is able to offset that cost from young people with not that many hospital visits, right? Running a cost on ancient company so that is how engineers. I’m just generalizing it. Sure, there’s a lot more complicated situations, lot more. Rules and regulations in place, but this how it generally works, but at least from.
The US perceptive of Canadian system is that it’s tightened to the the tax you pay. Because of that, your tax goes up and the health care you get is below the quality of care we get in the. Again, it’s just an assumption I’ve not lived in a in Canada, so I do not know. I’ve not experienced this, so that’s why I wanted your input. And also I just a matter of me making appointment with my doctor. It can come as soon as the next day. In a couple of days for at least a couple of. Specialists take a little longer because you know there’s backup. This is how it generally works in the US. How does it compare to how Canada work?
Rob
Yeah, it’s. Just like. That’s why I’m asking from your perspective. It’s so interesting to hear. And you see this on the on the news, a lot of the time too. You’ll see it sort of. There’s sort of a cartoon version of how Canadian healthcare System works, right? Like you go to the you have. You have to wait six months to because you’ve got a headache, right? But basically what happens is like he’s like you said, you’re right. We have a health care health card. Go to the emergency room if you have an emergency, you get prioritized based on how serious your. Illness or injury is so obviously if you if you have a more serious, if you’ve had a stroke or something like that, you’ll you’ll go in quicker than someone that’s maybe got a nasty. So you’re prioritized based on the seriousness of your injury. You go in, you show your health card to the. Admitting team. Then you you see your doctor. At no point really is there any discussion about finances unless you know you can pay for extras like you can pay for a private room at the hospital. You want to. I think there’s like 50 or like where we are, it’s like 50 or $100. For a private room, something like that. It’s not a huge amount, but it’s it’s like almost like a budget hotel kind of price. If you want to pay for private. There are, so there are additions to that, but basically you get it’s it’s based on necessity. If you need something you will get it in cash if you need. A certain procedure to live you will get it, and it’s unlikely that you’ll pay for it. Are obviously. Some people watching this will be saying to themselves, well, actually I have this medication that I’m paying for. The pharmaceutical side is slightly different. I’m lucky in the sense that I don’t have to pay for any medications right now.
However, there are certain out of pocket costs for drugs and things like that, you might have to pay for at the pharmacy if you’re given a prescription, it can get quite expensive. So there are those additional costs to it, but just the seeing the doctor and getting treatment side of things surgery. There’s no cost to that in terms of the wait times, you can, depending on the procedure. It’s on necessity. So if you really need something, you will get it. Within a relatively short amount of time.
Mukund
Then who determines the necessity of it.
Rob
It’s really based on the resources at the hospital, the resources that your doctor’s clinic like. Basically, it’s a medical decision. It’s a medical decision based on, I would imagine. Again, I’m not a doctor and I have no medical training, but I would imagine it’s based on impacts on. Impacts on day-to-day lives like. Much pain is this person in can can this pain be mitigated in some in some sense by whatever procedure we have to do, and how much time can this person be in that kind of pain? And if you know and they have the resources to do it in a certain amount of time, yeah, I think medical necessity is the primary element of Canadian the Canadian healthcare system, additional sort of specialty surgical care. And you know, if you, if you needed, let’s say. Cancer treatment. You might go to the states to go to the top. Harvard Dr. Rather than have it in cared aware you, perhaps you might be working with a specialist, but they might not be the best in the world. You still have the option of. Uh paying for more by going to the states because of how close the states is to Canada. I I think the data is like quite a few wealthy people still go to the states. Lot of politicians go to the states to get their. Health care because they can get like the the latest procedure, right? But it the idea is 99% of people are covered for 99% of the procedures that are necessary for their general. To day life so. Yeah, the coverage is based on need.
Mukund
When can a procedure or treatment to be denied in Canada?
Rob
I think that there are stipulations, for example, because it’s done. Each province has their own health system. So OHIP, which is Ontario’s health system, there are regulators in place that determine what is covered and what is not covered under that system. And these things change. Don’t know how often it that they have governing bodies. Often so it can change all the time. You might not hear about it. Might find out for example. Yeah. If you had cancer and your doctor said, well, I know about this drug, that could help. Let me speak to the regulations that approve these drugs and find out whether we can get this for you and get it covered under. Oh, and so that it would go through your doctor and then go through the regulators. There’s just a different set of regulations that define what’s covered, what isn’t, and how.
Mukund
So I think the main differentiator is the government is not a for profit organization.
Rob
Exactly.
Mukund
But the insurance companies are. That is the underlying issue that kind of triggered what happened a few weeks ago. Right. I’m gonna claim ignorance to say that I do not know the specifics of what. Happened in terms of what caused the guy to shoot to the ceiling, his personal issue, or from what I’ve heard, it’s kind of a bigger issue in terms of capitalists versus the common man. Kind of an approach, but. It’s the profit making enterprise of a life saving activity that is kind of the issue with with everybody. Should anybody go through middleman who plays God for life saving medication? Right, I’m fortunately, I’ve not had situations where insurance has denied coverage. I won’t say that will not happen, but I have heard what I’ve read from talking to people is that they have denied coverage, which is kind of unfortunate. The question or the process that put that in place is flaw because as a for profit enterprise, the more money you have in your pockets the better for you and for shareholders. How do you get more money by not paying for a lot of cares that you’re supposed to? That is kind of the sticking point. Phone that is kind of hurting a lot of people. So I mean, you ask me why this happened, right? What triggered it? I think that’s the main reason, like the power with just a few that determines the life and death of a lot more.
Rob
I guess my major question when we were talking the other day about this was like, what do you think it is like? Why now? Like this healthcare system has been in place. At least it’s gotten the health insurance industry has grown at least since Reagan was. In power, right? This has been coming for decades.
This is like the spotlight on the issue that hasn’t been in place for decades. And it seems like there’s been a building up of anger and frustration, and it sort of gets to the idea of income inequality, first of all, but also. You have something that I don’t. This guy was a millionaire. Was a CEO of a health care insurance. Company that was using AI as far as I know, as far as people saying they were using AI to deny claims to deny, and the person that allegedly killed him was had some sort of health issue and his claim had been denied, or at least he had had. To something that was a negative element about the the healthcare industry. He was angry. The healthcare industry, I would imagine, I think that the the latest data is about 100 million Americans are in debt. Because of health. Health care and health insurance. There’s a lot of anger out. There’s a lot of people that are angry about. Health costs and health insurance in. The reason that I brought it up, we were. It the other day is that. It seemed strange to me that all of a sudden this this is a big, big issue that people are talking about, not just because this happened, but I think it’s also the fact that there’s a separation between very rich and very poor and also the use of technology.
I think is an element to that too the. Idea that I can separate myself from the decision of who gets Karen, who doesn’t, by using technology to make that decision. Again, I don’t know whether a united healthcare does that. Say that they do, but that was the. There’s certainly nothing to deny the fact that they’ve been using AI in some way to decide who gets health care and who doesn’t, which is obviously some sort of like dystopian nightmare. If you have any sort of. Human sense of morality or a sense of understanding about empathy and pain that you can use a computer to deny someone’s right to live. What? What is the sense that you get as to why this happened now? And has that changed any of the conversations that you? Have it.
Mukund
I think it’s a culmination of a lot of things that’s been happening the past few years. Starting from 4-5 years ago, the Black Lives Matter, the slow consolidation of power, either economic, political, within very few people that’s affecting the livelihood for a lot of also politically the. We elected were not. Patience. That’s also a big thing, dividing the country and the economic. Inequality. So it’s kind of a slow shift towards power with the very few people affecting everyday life for the vast majority of us. Said something like 2 percent, 3%. Of the people having the power for the rest, 98% of. People. I think it’s all culminated with the CEO being shot because. It’s kind of a response. It’s like when you’re cornered. What do you do? Fight your way back, right? The law is not on the common person side. The economic power is not on the common person side. So what else are you supposed to do? It has to explode at some. It’s like over inflating a balloon. It’s exploding.
Rob
It’s a great analogy, yeah.
Mukund
So what else is somebody supposed to do? Why there’s a huge popularity. Huge support for. I mean, he has yet to be proven guilty, but.
Rob
I was gonna say he’s allegedly the guy.
Mukund
Yeah. He sees allegedly, yes, as as of today, at least, yes.
Rob
That Brian Thompson, the CEO.
Mukund
There’s huge support for. There’s not much support or even a sympathy for the CEO that was killed. So the reasons I stated was what caused this, at least from my understanding, I might be wrong. And it’s an interesting time because the new administration is coming into power with their own issues. Is happening in the side. So it’s going to be an interesting turn of events in 2020. 25 because this one I don’t know when it’s going to go to trial or whatnot. Yeah, that’s my take on it.
Rob
Yeah, it’s an interesting idea of you talk about Brian Thompson was the CEO that was killed. I always think about this thought experiment of it’s impossible, but it’s naive for me to even suggest it. Even if I had a conversation with him and said, like, what do you think the benefit of your job is? What? What do you enjoy about your? I would because I it’s just so foreign to me. The people in that job.
Mukund
For the CEO, that was. It’s more on what he has to do. Dr. profits to the. Maybe his compensation is high directly to that, which I’m 100% sure that’s how it works. Does not matter how many claims he denies. But to be fair as. Much as the claims they denied, they also approve a. Of claims right? I’m not saying that they are the most evil companies in the world, but they’re not in the best business. Model slash ethics point. Of you, I believe healthcare should be nonprofit. There are a lot of companies that are nonprofit. Better run by the government. Like in Canada or in Europe, again, it just might might feeling just because of the stigma attached to privatization of. Very serious entities like this like healthcare, sanitation, telecom, those things people need to survive. Water systems, right rivers. Everything has to be kind of nationalized. Just because the impact is on huge swaths of people rather than you going. Retail shopping, for example. So again, it’s just my thought.
Rob
If I could speak to Brian Thompson, the CEO that was shot about his job. You must know if you are in that position that people are dying based on the decisions that you are making. It’s kind of like it’s. It’s not that much different than being in the military. At least with the military, it’s sort of like the idea is you’re serving your country. You know, you might have to kill somebody, but you are doing something. In theory, a great, a good you believe in something, right in the healthcare industry. Me. It’s sort of like there’s no. At the end of the day, yeah, you. A paycheck, which is great. And they make they make tons of money. There’s nothing wrong with making tons of money. Fine. It’s the idea of like you getting to decide whether this kid gets leukemia medication and, you know, you might put, like I said, you might. Say, oh, well, the technology decided that it’s like, well, come on. Like, if you’re in a role where you can influence that, of course. We spoke with Ethan, right? ‘S a doctor. About the the development process of drugs, we had an interesting discussion about that. Very similar to. It’s the idea of like, OK. I understand these things have cost. You got to research the drug. Got to figure out what works. What does it people? Has got to go through the testing process. I’m not naive enough to believe that there’s not a process that you have to. It’s the idea of the people that are in the health insurance. Surely they must know that the their function has very limited value as it from a moral point of view.
Mukund
I’m sure he. It’s a job at the end of the day for him. Least I’m assuming again, I’m just dissol conjuncture and. Assumption denying the claims and not doing the. I don’t think it. To him, for every case.
Rob
It’s not the individual that’s making those decisions. An organization and you know.
Mukund
But they’re getting paid the big bucks because they’re responsible for the organization. So the CEO is responsible for the company. And that’s why he was targeted, I’m assuming. Gonna be taken both ways. We’re also helping people. But the negativity, as in anything the negativity stands out rather than the positives of anything. Remember that. It affects you mentally. That’s why it’s better to have more positive experience than negative, because the negatives stay with you longer, it affects you.
Rob
Yeah, it’s the journalism thing. If it bleeds, it leads, right? Like the the big story is always.
Mukund
Exactly. Yeah. If it bleeds, it leaves. You’re right. I’m I’m just getting. Another person might have his or her heart surgery approved. For example, surgery is done. They are back to recuperation therapy and now back leading. So the family did not lose anybody. You know, maybe a few months of hardships and then back. But somebody who lost a loved family member because of insurance not paying out for a treatment that’s going to stay with them much longer. So that’s going to impact you more. That’s going to have a negative feelings.
Rob
Like a terrible existence, it seems like you’d be, at least from a moral standpoint, you know, I would have a hard time sleeping. Let’s play that way.
Mukund
Yeah, I lost my mom to leukemia years ago. It has nothing to do with insurance or anything. Just that the treatment didn’t work for her. I’m saying from a lost point of view, so it stays with you. A long time, right? But if it had been something else, then she’s alive. Would not have. Life would not have been. Mass drastically changed as it was for us, right? So I’m starting from a loss point of view, not from an insurance point of view, but the end result is the same. Losing somebody in a car accident or to denial denial. It hurts more because there’s something could have control.
Rob
We’re talking about pain. Paint pain is the is the major and it triggers something. I think in people.
Mukund
Exactly.
Rob
Pun intended, but there’s a there’s a. There’s some sort of, as you said, it lingers with you, that kind of negativity, that kind of pain. Rather than joy sort of is is momentary and fleeting. This is sort of a permeate permanence to that kind of pain and I. There’s something to be said for it’s their loved one through someone else’s. But do you think there’s a greater amount of pain or anger in society in general these days than there was maybe 5-10 fifteen years ago? Because you and I both enough, these. I feel like in my teens, I don’t feel like there was this level of discord, disagreement and difference between. People, even in Canada where we are the between right and left politics. Each issue that seems to be such animosity on both in terms of angle sides.
Mukund
I think it’s the proliferation of social media. Anybody can be an expert in something behind the keyboard, but if the same person were in front of people, there would be quite as a mouse. So I think that amplification is more because of social media in the 90s when there was literally the remember even early 2000s when I was in college, it was. Don’t know if you’ve used the AOL instant messenger, yeah. I did not experience the level of hatred animosity as I do now. And then also the instant gratification of high speed Internet. Smartphones the various channels. The non-stop bad of information notifications. It just makes it just orbones your senses and also it does. Just amplifies everything. The person who would have not talked much about their feelings even a decade ago would be the loudest person in the room now behind their screen. I think that matters a lot because we cannot talk about this exposure without social media. The various platforms to be YouTube, be it Twitter or X whatever you call it. Tock, in the past 10 years, these have just expanded like nothing. I think that plays a major role in this.
Rob
And these these platforms. It’s a double edged sword. Because these platforms give the woman who didn’t have a voice in in countries like Saudi Arabia and some other countries in the Middle East, the it’s given women’s rights movement, more volume, more amplification and you know the. Strides being made to improve individual lives around the world because of social media. And then you have this this other side of the coin where there seems to be a widening gap just like we talked about with the income gap right there seems to be a widening thought. Gap, where everybody goes to their various sort of Internet silos and has their own opinion and you find. Like minded group and it sort of separates everyone based on their where you think and feel like I’m a I’m a Manchester United fan so I go to. Manchester United, like the subreddits on Reddit I read about them, but it’s the same thing with politics. It gets like you only go to the the right wing if you’re on the right, you only go to the left wing. If you’re on the left. And it almost seems. These things snowball. And with the idea of, as you were saying, the more extremist ideas get more attention. Trying. Sort of make a name for themselves, but it’s. Or bad. If anything, I want to blend in. I want to de influence people. I want to say hey. Think for. I don’t want to influence you. For yourself, listen to.
Mukund
There’s nothing wrong with being average.
Rob
Yeah, exactly. I’d be a great motivational speaker. Be average everybody.
Mukund
The average perform your average best.
Rob
No, it’s. Before 60. Said what’s wrong with 60%? Go. Yeah, nobody likes an overachiever. Being a C student, it’s easier. Easier life, better for everybody. So yeah, the idea basically that there seems to be that we had separation now of between a lot of different groups politically in every sort of sphere you can think of. And I think like, as it was just mentioning, it’s also to do with income. It’s also the. Income separation of the last 2015 twenty years. All these movements that you and I were just talking. Offline before about what? Occupy Wall Street was and you told me in 2011. I was surprised. 2000. I thought it was like right after the financial crisis, which I think was 2000. 9:00 but I think these things sort of take. Little while to get going. There’s these movements that happen and Occupy Wall Street as a movement sort of petered out after a while for whatever reason. It’s you mentioned Black Lives Matter too, and other societal movement that happens. So you know these things can sort of grow. And fall quite. It seems like they’re growing in. Scale as the years go by, it seems like they’re becoming bigger and bigger. So like Occupy, Wall Street was relatively small. Black Lives Matter was quite a big thing and is still ongoing. And it’s an important issue. However, there’s going to be another movement now where it seems to be people are moving towards getting a little bit heated. It’s getting a greater level of animosity. Do you get that sense to being in the states? There a lot of anger there right now. Obviously, what is? Well, 3-4 days out from Trump’s inauguration now. It seems like. We’re a perfect boiling point for the US.
Mukund
Well, it’s not a sudden rise of this hater animosity. I think it’s overall frustration with how things are not moving. We have an administration coming in that majority of the people don’t want, so it’s going to be chaos the first few months. Also, the majority in. Not sure much will be passed again. A. It’s not a good situation to be in with no clear direction. And this goes back to anxiety that we talked about, at least on every episode, right? This unknown nobody knows and people get anxious. Get scared. Of the unknowns, so coming towards that, how do you think people can cope with?
Rob
This is sort of like the the big question of so we talked about the fact that there is a level of anger out there about what’s going on about the income inequality that has been rising over period of, you know, at least 1520 thirty years at least. There was a period in the 1870s that Mark Twain called the Gilded Age, where there was a great separation between. In the poor in the States and a lot of the the US labor laws such as they are. Were built around that time of rebellion because people recognize that, you know they weren’t. They didn’t have any. A lot of. They didn’t have a lot of money and they were like, hey, you guys seem to have a lot. Let’s let’s share some of this and I think that’s, you know, the. Is. It’s got to happen politically first and that’s the best way to do it. I’m a big fan of like passive resistance rather than violence in any way. Don’t think violence really accomplishes anything other than to sort of. Don’t get me wrong, like there have been violent groups that have accomplished their goals. I just disagree with most of the. Methods.
Mukund
Talking about violence, I’m not saying this bad or good, but just a different way of getting. Same thing. So the end result should be what the majority want, the method it all depends on the situation. Like I said, right, how much can the balloon expand without bursting? Much can you be pressed onto a corner? It’s human. How much can you push somebody? So I mean, I’m not saying violence is the answer, but what else is the answer? If none of the other things work, if there are other options, then this would not have happened. The engine situation was not new. Not something that came up, but like you and I discussed, it’s been happening for the past so many decades. So there has to be a turning point, and if not now, then when is it?
Rob
Right. And that’s the. Is that it isn’t just the fact that there was a shooting and someone died, which is horrible. It’s the idea of.
Mukund
Why it happened exactly?
Rob
Why and why? Why now is the big thing for me?
Mukund
Unless the fundamentals change.
Rob
It’s the structure underneath that’s the. And this brings us back to the healthcare system. Is the structure that’s the problem, not Brian Thompson at United Healthcare like he, he’s just a guy that goes to school, gets a great job, becomes a millionaire. Good for him. But he’s part of a structural system to change the. Structure with violence is very difficult. So let’s say in terms of solutions, I know for sure there are companies and organizations throughout the US that will help you with healthcare costs. There are charities out there that will pay, for example, if you’ve been in the military. In the US or you are a single parent, they will help you with your healthcare costs. You can find them. I don’t know the names right now, but maybe we can do another spotlight on those companies. Are many great organizations. That help people with the healthcare. That’s that’s one element to it is understanding that there are resources that can help you. And also as I said, there are ways to organize thought and organize ideas and structures that you can use to sort of counteract this. Find people that have these ideas and build on. Build on something with a community and organize around finding your your network and people that can counteract these sort of. Structures that are allowing billionaires to to make all this money like it’s not. It’s not an easy process and it takes time. I don’t. I don’t think you can give up on the idea of. A National Health Service in the US, you guys have the Affordable Care Act. You have Obamacare. Obama tried to do. Something he wasn’t perfect, obviously, but he tried to put something in place where the majority would have some sort of health care. As far as I understand it, there was outside of the insurance industry purview.
Mukund
There are option don’t have tangible solutions. Because this is unlike our anxiety and uncertainty, episodes that we did. Not something that’s intrinsic to the individual. Is something external? You can identify what the problem is, but the solution is not. I’m talking about the bigger economy.
Rob
Yeah, it’s a societal problem, not an individual problem. Yeah.
Mukund
Exactly. So from a solutions point, what we can only suggest is kind of a support group. Like you said, your groups within your state and local areas in your towns and cities for that support that you need, you lost a loved one. You don’t know, you don’t know. To get through a particular problem. There’s no other way out of. Than to seek a therapeutic outlet like talking to somebody, talking to a close friend to family members or like minded people going through a similar situation in their lives. We as social beings need that connection, especially while going through. A negative life event that will always be there. You’ll always face life events that need support and. Think of your family, friends who have not talked to with a long time. They’re going through something, so reach out. If it is something medical you are facing or sincere wishes that you get out of it soon, we don’t have a solution for that unfortunately, because it’s not something you can control. So hopefully whatever you can do will try to put some resources help you out, but this one of the instances where Robert don’t think our regular solutions will work. It’s much more bigger than that.
Rob
There are, as you said, there’s no, there’s no clear and definable solution to the problem of the American health care system, if there was. A people that me would have come up with. I know, I empathize with people that are really struggling with. Reach out to people and say you know, what do you think about? How can I get through this and have more conversations about how you feel about important issues? Yourself with the mission and then you can arm others with information. That’s how. You can improve things around you and how you can take. Some sort of ownership and power from what is a relatively isolating and powerless situation.
Mukund
That’s right. Your closest friends are your support group, closer friends and family and. I think we can in on that note, Rob, maybe we’ll have a follow on in a couple of months just to see where things are right.
Rob
Yeah, we I think it’s going to be about taking the temperature of society and seeing what happens over the next few months and sort of. I don’t imagine that any solutions are going to happen in the next six months or so. But I think there’s certainly going to. More. See more on a political landscape that is certainly gonna be interesting to talk about, and there’s gonna be things that both on the right and the left are gonna happen. And we’re gonna be able to have more discussions about these kinds of things. Are sort of a never ending. Cycle of bad news stories, right? It’s. Really not. It’s really not about the actual story itself. It’s about why these things. And so it’s always good to sort of find out the back story as to what’s actually going on in general society that leads to the actual story.
Mukund
Yeah. What the reason behind these things?
Rob
Exactly, that’s that’s what we’re talking about. And I’m sure we’ll. More, more conversations about that kind of thing in the. And it’s just about trying to figure these things out as best we can.
Mukund
So drop thanks for your time today. Was a very good topic. Relevant very. We’ll talk to you on the next one.
Rob
YouTube great speaking with you, man. Bye for now.
Mukund
Think you Rob. Bye bye.
Resources
“Positive Thinking: 9 Unique ways to Cultivate a Positive Mindset”, by Mental Wealth Podcast
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